Comments on: Virginia Beach ala Louisiana http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/ blogging our way to democratic wins in virginia beach Thu, 17 May 2012 11:20:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Spencer Witzke http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-2203 Spencer Witzke Thu, 27 May 2010 08:29:52 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-2203 It’s thrilling to see that the experienced site owners are yet again aiming at bringing a more rounded info instead of just focusing on worthless and junky articles. Like this the strengths of specific article are more likely to be uncovered. It’s thrilling to see that the experienced site owners are yet again aiming at bringing a more rounded info instead of just focusing on worthless and junky articles. Like this the strengths of specific article are more likely to be uncovered.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1341 LittleDavid Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:55:19 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1341 OK, and Virginia should be so special that our citizens (including you) should not take the risks of environmental degradation and these risks should only be borne by the unfortunate citizens of third world countries? By your figures, we use so much and produce so little. Why shouldn't we produce as much as we can? I am not trying to scream too loudly. David, I know you drive a fuel efficient vehicle. But a percentage of the fuel your efficient vehicle needs comes from foreign sources. I am not going to agree that every drop possible must come from outside our borders. You will find agreement with me on reasonable steps to lessen our dependence on crude oil totally (not just foreign crude oil) although we might still disagree on the definition of reasonable. What is reasonable? Well instead of buying that Verso why didn't you buy a Prius? Better fuel economy right? And I guess you would have been one of the first to trade in that old school hybrid for a plug-in also? Your plug-in would have been powered by solar panels too as wll, ah, so green friendly. What, you couldn't afford all that? My gosh, you are so fortunate and YOU can't afford it? What about those less fortunate then you? I know that as fortunate as I am, I can not afford leading edge technology. I do try and do my part, but money only goes so far. I also realize that there are many who are not as fortunate as I am and I also realize those less fortunate can still vote. If you pull the rug out from under them, they are going to be upset. OK, and Virginia should be so special that our citizens (including you) should not take the risks of environmental degradation and these risks should only be borne by the unfortunate citizens of third world countries?

By your figures, we use so much and produce so little. Why shouldn’t we produce as much as we can?

I am not trying to scream too loudly. David, I know you drive a fuel efficient vehicle. But a percentage of the fuel your efficient vehicle needs comes from foreign sources. I am not going to agree that every drop possible must come from outside our borders. You will find agreement with me on reasonable steps to lessen our dependence on crude oil totally (not just foreign crude oil) although we might still disagree on the definition of reasonable.

What is reasonable? Well instead of buying that Verso why didn’t you buy a Prius? Better fuel economy right? And I guess you would have been one of the first to trade in that old school hybrid for a plug-in also? Your plug-in would have been powered by solar panels too as wll, ah, so green friendly.

What, you couldn’t afford all that? My gosh, you are so fortunate and YOU can’t afford it? What about those less fortunate then you? I know that as fortunate as I am, I can not afford leading edge technology. I do try and do my part, but money only goes so far. I also realize that there are many who are not as fortunate as I am and I also realize those less fortunate can still vote. If you pull the rug out from under them, they are going to be upset.

]]> By: David Campbell http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1340 David Campbell Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:04:00 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1340 There is some oil offshore Virginia - just enough to soak the Virginia Beach oceanfront in the event of an oil spill, but not enough to affect supply and demand in the global oil market. There is some oil offshore Virginia – just enough to soak the Virginia Beach oceanfront in the event of an oil spill, but not enough to affect supply and demand in the global oil market.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1337 LittleDavid Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:25:57 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1337 Efficiency is good and the increased CAFE standards for automobiles was wise, however that is not going to be enough to end our dependence on foreign crude oil, at least in the short term. Every increase in supply is going to put downward pressure on the price of oil; supply and demand. While there might not be significant reserves off Virginia's coast alone, if you put all the coastal areas currently off-limits together the sum total will be significant. Besides, if there really aren't any reserves off Virginia's coasts, then why the strong opposition? If there is no oil out there then there will not be any oil drilling either. Efficiency is good and the increased CAFE standards for automobiles was wise, however that is not going to be enough to end our dependence on foreign crude oil, at least in the short term.

Every increase in supply is going to put downward pressure on the price of oil; supply and demand. While there might not be significant reserves off Virginia’s coast alone, if you put all the coastal areas currently off-limits together the sum total will be significant. Besides, if there really aren’t any reserves off Virginia’s coasts, then why the strong opposition? If there is no oil out there then there will not be any oil drilling either.

]]> By: David Campbell http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1326 David Campbell Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:16:19 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1326 America consumes <strong>24%</strong> of the world's oil and has <strong>3%</strong> of the world's oil reserves. No amount of drilling will change that basic fact. The oil cartels would only need to reduce production by a fraction of a percentage to get the same amount of money from us. Our problem isn't dependence on foreign oil; our problem is dependence on oil. Reducing consumption through efficiency and renewable sources is the only way to free ourselves. America consumes 24% of the world’s oil and has 3% of the world’s oil reserves. No amount of drilling will change that basic fact. The oil cartels would only need to reduce production by a fraction of a percentage to get the same amount of money from us. Our problem isn’t dependence on foreign oil; our problem is dependence on oil. Reducing consumption through efficiency and renewable sources is the only way to free ourselves.

]]> By: William Bailey http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1324 William Bailey Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:54:29 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1324 If you believe Virginia produced oil/gasoline will be cheaper, you really do not understand the economics... And there isn't enough off Va's coast to make a real long term impact. If you believe Virginia produced oil/gasoline will be cheaper, you really do not understand the economics… And there isn’t enough off Va’s coast to make a real long term impact.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/03/virginia-beach-ala-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 LittleDavid Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:32:00 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=811#comment-1308 I wonder if Dr Koch's more careful analysis would include the costs of continuing to send so much money overseas to meet such a large percentage of our nation's economy's dependence on crude oil? Even if most of the workers in the oil rigs off Virginia's coasts commuted from Louisiana (yeah right) the money from the salaries paid would still stay here in America. One does not need to be an economic genius to figure out it is better for as large a percentage of the amount paid at the pump to stay here in the good ole USA. This is particularly true when one considers that many of those we import crude oil from are rather unfriendly and the money they receive is used to finance things that go against our nation's strategic interests. I wonder if Dr Koch’s more careful analysis would include the costs of continuing to send so much money overseas to meet such a large percentage of our nation’s economy’s dependence on crude oil? Even if most of the workers in the oil rigs off Virginia’s coasts commuted from Louisiana (yeah right) the money from the salaries paid would still stay here in America.

One does not need to be an economic genius to figure out it is better for as large a percentage of the amount paid at the pump to stay here in the good ole USA. This is particularly true when one considers that many of those we import crude oil from are rather unfriendly and the money they receive is used to finance things that go against our nation’s strategic interests.

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