Comments on: Please think of the alternative! http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/ blogging our way to democratic wins in virginia beach Fri, 18 May 2012 20:16:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: rob http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4484 rob Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:23:36 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4484 glenn nye votes the wishes of palin & thelma drake. no HCR, no cap & trade... glenn nye votes the wishes of palin & thelma drake. no HCR, no cap & trade…

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4256 LittleDavid Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:59:27 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4256 GNProgressive, I only hope that you do not just give up. The majority of us agree something needs to be done, but when it comes down to the brass tacks we all find reasons to object. Well something is better then nothing. As imperfect as it is, the results the Democrats came up with is better then the Republican alternative. Ever heard about how indecisive it is to subject something to committee? Well the authors of our constitution subjected us to not just one, but two committees (both the House and the Senate). I might not like everything that happens as a result, but I still marvel at those who were so motivated to find a system that keeps things civil. When I see a need for revolution, I can go to the ballot box instead of feeling the need to take up arms. GNProgressive,

I only hope that you do not just give up. The majority of us agree something needs to be done, but when it comes down to the brass tacks we all find reasons to object. Well something is better then nothing. As imperfect as it is, the results the Democrats came up with is better then the Republican alternative.

Ever heard about how indecisive it is to subject something to committee? Well the authors of our constitution subjected us to not just one, but two committees (both the House and the Senate). I might not like everything that happens as a result, but I still marvel at those who were so motivated to find a system that keeps things civil. When I see a need for revolution, I can go to the ballot box instead of feeling the need to take up arms.

]]> By: GNProgressive http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4255 GNProgressive Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:54:15 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4255 There wasn't another plan, but when we start accepting things because it is the only option then we get into some dangerous territory. I don't know about you, but I've gone through the entire CRS report for Health Care and much of the actual bill. There are dozens if not hundreds of little, non-relevant regulations that will choke this economy to a halt. They were never debated, they have little to nothing to do with fixing health care, yet they were included in the bill. Once analyzed, democrats and republicans would probably be against all of them, but its just sad that no one bothered to even read this bill and analyze it before voting it into effect. There wasn’t another plan, but when we start accepting things because it is the only option then we get into some dangerous territory. I don’t know about you, but I’ve gone through the entire CRS report for Health Care and much of the actual bill. There are dozens if not hundreds of little, non-relevant regulations that will choke this economy to a halt. They were never debated, they have little to nothing to do with fixing health care, yet they were included in the bill. Once analyzed, democrats and republicans would probably be against all of them, but its just sad that no one bothered to even read this bill and analyze it before voting it into effect.

]]> By: David Campbell http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4254 David Campbell Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:44:49 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4254 GNProgressive: You don't support the Republican plan, and you don't support the Democratic plan. "Neither of the parties has any clue what they are doing?" Who else is there? Was there some other health reform plan that could have passed both houses of Congress and been signed into law by President Obama? If not, we would have been stuck with no plan. Like it or not, the Democratic health reform plan is the law of the land. GNProgressive: You don’t support the Republican plan, and you don’t support the Democratic plan. “Neither of the parties has any clue what they are doing?” Who else is there? Was there some other health reform plan that could have passed both houses of Congress and been signed into law by President Obama? If not, we would have been stuck with no plan.

Like it or not, the Democratic health reform plan is the law of the land.

]]> By: GNProgressive http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4253 GNProgressive Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:38:01 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4253 Never said I supported the Republican plan, only that the democrats plan is definitely not the right path. Maybe a couple hundred pages of it, but I would take nothing instead of the terrifying things I have came across in health care and wall street reform. America is really SOL because neither of the parties has any clue what they are doing. Never said I supported the Republican plan, only that the democrats plan is definitely not the right path. Maybe a couple hundred pages of it, but I would take nothing instead of the terrifying things I have came across in health care and wall street reform. America is really SOL because neither of the parties has any clue what they are doing.

]]> By: David Campbell http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4252 David Campbell Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:37:38 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4252 GNProgressive: Comprehensive health reform is extremely complex, with a lot of moving parts and technical issues. Complaining about the length of the bill is kind of a <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019629.php" rel="nofollow">weak</a> argument against it. By "ramming it through," I suppose you mean a proposal that was debated during the Presidential campaign, deliberated by Congress for more than a year, passed by clear majorities in both houses, and signed into law by the President. Cap-and-trade has already proven to be a highly successful market-based approach to reducing sulfer dioxide and nitrogen oxide. GNProgressive: Comprehensive health reform is extremely complex, with a lot of moving parts and technical issues. Complaining about the length of the bill is kind of a weak argument against it. By “ramming it through,” I suppose you mean a proposal that was debated during the Presidential campaign, deliberated by Congress for more than a year, passed by clear majorities in both houses, and signed into law by the President.

Cap-and-trade has already proven to be a highly successful market-based approach to reducing sulfer dioxide and nitrogen oxide.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4250 LittleDavid Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:29:31 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4250 GNProgressive, But what did Republicans come up with as an alternative? They proposed eliminating the pre-existing conditions exercised by the medical insurance industry without expanding the base of those who pay into the system. Everybody likes that idea right? Yeah, everybody who has their head up a dark place does. If you eliminate the pre-existing condition without requiring everyone to pay for coverage, everyone who has coverage will see their premiums go up. The healthy will continue to go around without coverage and only the sick will sign up. I do not see how the Republican plan makes health insurance premiums go down as a result. It's kind of like car insurance. Does it make sense to only require those involved in an accident to purchase insurance only after the accident and then require the insurance company to cover it? That's why I remain steadfast in my support of socialized medicine. GNProgressive,

But what did Republicans come up with as an alternative? They proposed eliminating the pre-existing conditions exercised by the medical insurance industry without expanding the base of those who pay into the system. Everybody likes that idea right? Yeah, everybody who has their head up a dark place does.

If you eliminate the pre-existing condition without requiring everyone to pay for coverage, everyone who has coverage will see their premiums go up. The healthy will continue to go around without coverage and only the sick will sign up. I do not see how the Republican plan makes health insurance premiums go down as a result. It’s kind of like car insurance. Does it make sense to only require those involved in an accident to purchase insurance only after the accident and then require the insurance company to cover it?

That’s why I remain steadfast in my support of socialized medicine.

]]> By: GNProgressive http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-2/#comment-4247 GNProgressive Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:51:14 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4247 The real issue is how on earth we can trust any party that feels the need to ram 3000+ page bills through the legislature (democrats and republicans). Health Reform didn't need 3,000 pages, what the President sought to accomplish could have been done with far, far less. It begs the question what else is being done. I can think of plenty of ways to reduce emissions without implementing a cap and trade scheme. Same with increasing access without a tax on health insurance (the mandate). I wonder when the ads of Rigell ignoring questions on the GI bill will come out. Nye has so much dirt to play with. The real issue is how on earth we can trust any party that feels the need to ram 3000+ page bills through the legislature (democrats and republicans). Health Reform didn’t need 3,000 pages, what the President sought to accomplish could have been done with far, far less. It begs the question what else is being done. I can think of plenty of ways to reduce emissions without implementing a cap and trade scheme. Same with increasing access without a tax on health insurance (the mandate).

I wonder when the ads of Rigell ignoring questions on the GI bill will come out. Nye has so much dirt to play with.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-4245 LittleDavid Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:37:52 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4245 That's a good question. But my guess is that even independent polling will show Glenn faces an uphill battle. But last time he was behind all the way until election day. That’s a good question. But my guess is that even independent polling will show Glenn faces an uphill battle. But last time he was behind all the way until election day.

]]> By: David Campbell http://vbdems.org/2010/08/heres-the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-4244 David Campbell Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:31:17 +0000 http://vbdems.org/?p=1505#comment-4244 I wonder when we will have independent polling of the 2nd district Congressional race? I wonder when we will have independent polling of the 2nd district Congressional race?

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