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		<title>By: GNProgressive</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4028</link>
		<dc:creator>GNProgressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article says that Karen Hurd, “founder” of the HRTP and “chair” of the “board” is supporting Rigell. Karen destroyed all her credibility when she endorsed Loyola in the primary. If that wasn’t enough, there is a letter from Karen about Rigell still on the HRTP website. It goes through exactly why no one should vote for him if they call themselves conservatives. She doesn’t speak for the Tea Party, she speaks for her own egotistical interests. I’ve been CCed on tons of emails today of angry libertarians and tea partiers calling for Hurd’s head because all of them despise Rigell. Rumor has it that the HRTP needed money to operate and some cash may have changed hands. I think you know as well as I do that Rigell is not afraid to throw money around to gain support.

Also, the article says Campaign for Liberty supports Rigell. I got a call from their rep down here saying that he had nothing to do with this pledge other than suggesting the audit the fed plank. Other Tea Party groups, such as the New Republic Patriots are furious with Hurd for trying to speak for them. What RIgell just did is piss off the entire rank and file of the Tea Party by claiming support from them when really all that happened was he pressured and/or payed off Hurd to support him.

Anyone who knows Karen knows she is not respected or liked by the members of the Tea Party. She is egotistical and disingenuous. She said we need to destroy the GOP then goes and endorses the candidate she was disgusted with in the primary. She had no credibility. Besides, aside from the pilot article, see what results pop up when you google “scott rigell tea party.” They are all incredibly negative towards Scott.

Mark my words, this has and will continue to backfire on the Rigell campaign. Hurd is done for in local politics and she will be removed from her position or made irrelevant in the coming weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article says that Karen Hurd, “founder” of the HRTP and “chair” of the “board” is supporting Rigell. Karen destroyed all her credibility when she endorsed Loyola in the primary. If that wasn’t enough, there is a letter from Karen about Rigell still on the HRTP website. It goes through exactly why no one should vote for him if they call themselves conservatives. She doesn’t speak for the Tea Party, she speaks for her own egotistical interests. I’ve been CCed on tons of emails today of angry libertarians and tea partiers calling for Hurd’s head because all of them despise Rigell. Rumor has it that the HRTP needed money to operate and some cash may have changed hands. I think you know as well as I do that Rigell is not afraid to throw money around to gain support.</p>
<p>Also, the article says Campaign for Liberty supports Rigell. I got a call from their rep down here saying that he had nothing to do with this pledge other than suggesting the audit the fed plank. Other Tea Party groups, such as the New Republic Patriots are furious with Hurd for trying to speak for them. What RIgell just did is piss off the entire rank and file of the Tea Party by claiming support from them when really all that happened was he pressured and/or payed off Hurd to support him.</p>
<p>Anyone who knows Karen knows she is not respected or liked by the members of the Tea Party. She is egotistical and disingenuous. She said we need to destroy the GOP then goes and endorses the candidate she was disgusted with in the primary. She had no credibility. Besides, aside from the pilot article, see what results pop up when you google “scott rigell tea party.” They are all incredibly negative towards Scott.</p>
<p>Mark my words, this has and will continue to backfire on the Rigell campaign. Hurd is done for in local politics and she will be removed from her position or made irrelevant in the coming weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4007</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Meeropol,

Yes, officers should get more compensation.  Active duty officers are not overpaid.  The problem is with how the retirement check is figured.  The retirement check is figured off of base pay only and a larger portion of officer compensation while on active duty comes from base pay then what is true for the enlisted.

I&#039;m not really griping, I was aware of this while I served and I am getting what was promised me.  However you said Kenny would give me the shirt off his back, so I asked for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Meeropol,</p>
<p>Yes, officers should get more compensation.  Active duty officers are not overpaid.  The problem is with how the retirement check is figured.  The retirement check is figured off of base pay only and a larger portion of officer compensation while on active duty comes from base pay then what is true for the enlisted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really griping, I was aware of this while I served and I am getting what was promised me.  However you said Kenny would give me the shirt off his back, so I asked for it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4004</link>
		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golden just got stabbed in the back by the Hampton Roads Tea Party, 912 First Landing Patriots, and Campaign for Liberty, who just &lt;a href=&quot;http://hamptonroads.com/2010/08/rigell-sign-tea-party-oath#comment-971874&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lined up&lt;/a&gt; behind the Republican establishment candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golden just got stabbed in the back by the Hampton Roads Tea Party, 912 First Landing Patriots, and Campaign for Liberty, who just <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2010/08/rigell-sign-tea-party-oath#comment-971874" rel="nofollow">lined up</a> behind the Republican establishment candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meeropol</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meeropol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that if you look at Kenny&#039;s military record, he has more than earned every penny of his retirement check. I am by no means trying to demean anyone&#039;s record, but in my opinion, being the instructor pilot entitles you to more than doing maintenance and commanding a task force entitles you to more pay than being the head enlisted on an ship. I&#039;ve never served in the military, but that is just my opinion. It was your choice to be enlisted your entire career, Kenny started out as enlisted too and got selected for the Aviation Officers Candidate Program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that if you look at Kenny&#8217;s military record, he has more than earned every penny of his retirement check. I am by no means trying to demean anyone&#8217;s record, but in my opinion, being the instructor pilot entitles you to more than doing maintenance and commanding a task force entitles you to more pay than being the head enlisted on an ship. I&#8217;ve never served in the military, but that is just my opinion. It was your choice to be enlisted your entire career, Kenny started out as enlisted too and got selected for the Aviation Officers Candidate Program.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3978</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Meeropol

If Kenny is willing to give me the shirt off his back, how about him giving me some of that retirement check he gets as a retired officer?  I&#039;m retired enlisted and my check is tiny while his in comparison is huge.  You said he&#039;d give it if I asked and I am asking.  Surely he understands how unfairly the military retirement compensation deal is tilted in favor of the officer and against the enlisted service member so perhaps he will personally be willing to correct this injustice.

For those of you unaware:  military officers receive a significantly larger slice of their total compensation package in the form of base pay versus allowances then do enlisted.  While on active duty, these allowances are not taxable income and great for the enlisted member as the base pay is taxable.  But once retirement comes around, the retirement check is figured off base pay so the enlisted service member gets a tiny check while even a retiring warrant officer is rewarded handsomely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Meeropol</p>
<p>If Kenny is willing to give me the shirt off his back, how about him giving me some of that retirement check he gets as a retired officer?  I&#8217;m retired enlisted and my check is tiny while his in comparison is huge.  You said he&#8217;d give it if I asked and I am asking.  Surely he understands how unfairly the military retirement compensation deal is tilted in favor of the officer and against the enlisted service member so perhaps he will personally be willing to correct this injustice.</p>
<p>For those of you unaware:  military officers receive a significantly larger slice of their total compensation package in the form of base pay versus allowances then do enlisted.  While on active duty, these allowances are not taxable income and great for the enlisted member as the base pay is taxable.  But once retirement comes around, the retirement check is figured off base pay so the enlisted service member gets a tiny check while even a retiring warrant officer is rewarded handsomely.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meeropol</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3945</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meeropol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be once the voters get a taste of the GOP and DEM attack machines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be once the voters get a taste of the GOP and DEM attack machines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3941</link>
		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep. Nye has served the military very well during his first term (almost to the exclusion of everything else).

Golden is more likely to attract conservatives who don&#039;t like Rigell.  Democrats won&#039;t vote for someone they disagree with on all the issues they care about.  Well qualified to lead in the wrong direction is not effective marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Nye has served the military very well during his first term (almost to the exclusion of everything else).</p>
<p>Golden is more likely to attract conservatives who don&#8217;t like Rigell.  Democrats won&#8217;t vote for someone they disagree with on all the issues they care about.  Well qualified to lead in the wrong direction is not effective marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meeropol</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3925</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meeropol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny is overqualified for state office. His expertise is on national issues. He is running because he is undeniably better suited to represent the 2nd district in Congress. Regardless of what you think of his stances on other issues, the vast majority of residents in the 2nd district are employed by the military, are retired military, or are family of active duty military. The economy stems from the military and the decisions made on armed services directly affect the lives of hundreds of thousands in the district. 

That being said, Kenny told me he won&#039;t ever run for office again if he doesn&#039;t win. He is 60 years old, he wants to serve his country the best he can. This is the best shot an independent has to win. He doesn&#039;t care about what bridges get burned with the GOP, he just wants to give the district a shot at adequate representation in Congress. 

While you say a conservative dem is better than a defeated one, I say a competent, straightforward representative who you disagree with on some issues is better than an inexperienced candidate who will never tell you where they stand. Kenny is always ready to listen and always ready to help. He would give you the shirt of his back if you asked for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny is overqualified for state office. His expertise is on national issues. He is running because he is undeniably better suited to represent the 2nd district in Congress. Regardless of what you think of his stances on other issues, the vast majority of residents in the 2nd district are employed by the military, are retired military, or are family of active duty military. The economy stems from the military and the decisions made on armed services directly affect the lives of hundreds of thousands in the district. </p>
<p>That being said, Kenny told me he won&#8217;t ever run for office again if he doesn&#8217;t win. He is 60 years old, he wants to serve his country the best he can. This is the best shot an independent has to win. He doesn&#8217;t care about what bridges get burned with the GOP, he just wants to give the district a shot at adequate representation in Congress. </p>
<p>While you say a conservative dem is better than a defeated one, I say a competent, straightforward representative who you disagree with on some issues is better than an inexperienced candidate who will never tell you where they stand. Kenny is always ready to listen and always ready to help. He would give you the shirt of his back if you asked for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya&#039;, LD!  Wagner is evil incarnate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya&#8217;, LD!  Wagner is evil incarnate!</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://vbdems.org/2010/08/notes-from-last-nights-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-3917</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny needs to set his sites a little lower.  Since he is burning bridges with the Republican Party by running as an independent perhaps he might be willing to run against Wagner for the state Senate seat as a Democrat?  The VBDC (Virginia Beach Democratic Committee) seems to have problems coming up with a candidate, and while Kenny might be a little conservative for some Va Beach Dems, think about this.  An elected conservative Democrat is better then a defeated liberal candidate.  An elected conservative Democrat is better then an elected conservative Republican because the Democrat will not be punished by his base for compromise.

Kenny does have a really impressive resume but he does not stand much chance of success in this election.  Perhaps against Wagner, with party backing he could be successful.  Can you tell how bad I want Wagner out of office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny needs to set his sites a little lower.  Since he is burning bridges with the Republican Party by running as an independent perhaps he might be willing to run against Wagner for the state Senate seat as a Democrat?  The VBDC (Virginia Beach Democratic Committee) seems to have problems coming up with a candidate, and while Kenny might be a little conservative for some Va Beach Dems, think about this.  An elected conservative Democrat is better then a defeated liberal candidate.  An elected conservative Democrat is better then an elected conservative Republican because the Democrat will not be punished by his base for compromise.</p>
<p>Kenny does have a really impressive resume but he does not stand much chance of success in this election.  Perhaps against Wagner, with party backing he could be successful.  Can you tell how bad I want Wagner out of office?</p>
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